Fact-checking Trump’s claims about the 2020 election in interview with Joe Rogan
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Fact-checking Trump’s claims about the 2020 election in interview with Joe Rogan

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Louis Jacobson
| PolitiFact.com

In a three-hour interview with podcaster Joe Rogan — a conversation that lasted even longer than one of Donald Trump’s rally speeches — the former president repeated falsehoods about the outcome of the 2020 election.

The call came less than two weeks before Election Day and ranged from claims of life on Mars to illegal immigration to his plan to impose tariffs on everyday goods.

Here we will fact-check what Trump said about the 2020 election.

“I won the second election” in 2020.

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Joe Biden won his victory by winning more votes in the Electoral College. Biden received 306 electoral votes compared to Trump’s 232. Biden’s path to victory included the battleground states of Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Although the popular vote does not decide who wins the presidential election, Biden received about 7 million more votes nationwide than Trump.

The 2020 election results were verified in several ways: states confirmed the results. Trump and his allies lost more than 60 moods. Congress accepted the results, after Trump supporters violent riot at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021. A group of conservatives, including former federal judges, investigated every fraud and miscalculation claim by Trump and his allies and concluded that they “failed to present evidence of fraud or falsification of results significant enough to invalidate the results.”

Republicans in Trump’s own administration, including his then-Attorney General, Bill Barrtold Trump that his statements about the “stolen” election were “bulls—-.” Republican state election officialsincluding in Georgia, said the election was safe and that Biden won.

PolitiFact has it documented some examples of voter fraud in 2020such as people voting on behalf of dead relatives. But these opportunities were not enough to change the outcome of the race.

States used ‘COVID to cheat’ in 2020 election.

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Many states made it easier to vote during the pandemic by sending a ballot or a ballot application to registered voters. Some states that previously required voters to have an excuse to vote by mail relaxed that rule.

Trump is free to disagree with these changes, but he is wrong—and ridiculously so—to characterize them as cheating. These changes were made overtly, by executive order, administrative action, or law. And when a state expanded access to voting by mail, it was also available to Republican voters.

States “would get legislative approval to do the things they did,” such as changing the rules for mail-in voting.

Rejecting a Trump argument in lawsuits over 2020 election results, various courts ruled that states need not pass every electoral policy through the legislature; instead, government officials can act on their own if necessary.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, for example, sued four battleground states that went for Bidenand argued that their election procedures violated their states’ laws. In one them on one sideThe US Supreme Court declined to hear the suit, concluding that Texas had no business challenging how other states conduct elections.

Experts said it is common to change election rules without passing legislation.

“It is often the case that there are gaps in election statutes that state and local election officials routinely fill pursuant to their delegated authority,” said Rebecca Green, an election law professor at the College of William & Mary. “So to say that all decisions about how to conduct elections must come from the legislature is inconsistent with express delegated authority to state election officials.”

Amendments made without formal sign-off by legislatures were made not only in Democratic or battleground states, but also by Republican officials in staunchly pro-Trump states.

North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum issued a order in March 2020 repealing the requirement that each county have at least one in-person polling place for counties that have approved postal voting.

Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson issued a executive order that concern about covid-19 is a valid excuse to vote without a vote in the November 2020 election.

In Paxton State, Texas Governor Greg Abbott added extra days of early voting for the general election, citing challenges posed by the pandemic.

After Hurricane Michael hit North Florida in October 2018, then-Gov. Rick Scott cited emergency laws in his order to repeal certain rules related to postal voting and in-person voting.

“If you look at Wisconsin, they practically admitted that the election was rigged, robbed and stolen.”

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Trump requested recounts in Wisconsin, but those recounts maintained Biden’s Victory; Biden received a net 74 votes when the recount was complete. The state certified Biden’s victory.

The Wisconsin Supreme Court dismissed a lawsuit seeking to ban absentee ballots, concluding that the questions were not “fairly presented.”

An investigation led by former state judge Michael Gableman — who has sided with Trump and promoted his false claims — showed no evidence the election was announced incorrectly.

The conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, too found no evidence of widespread fraud. And state auditors found voting machines worked correctly.

PolitiFact Senior Correspondent Amy Sherman contributed to this report.

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